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Hellcats Represent the Best of Modern Street/Strip Cars Period!

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My gas cap off to ya. My battery watch still runs backwards in the Villages. New method for the heart monitors to work, owners, longer. Is is not 1964 again, yet. till Rico calls and lets me know. Good luck to ya and the family there. I will never make it out of this mountain top mo bile home park. Sum body has to feed the forest rangers dressed as bears,,,, or is it the fire arms??
 


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The 5.0 is a hard value to beat when it comes to going fast for little money. Practically impossible to beat, especially if, say, the budget is $50k. You can get a new GT, and have enough to twin turbo it and run in the 8s… but that $50k won’t even get you a Hellcat.

Take money out of the equation and that opens doors… but that’s not realistic.

Cheapest 10s, 9s, and 8s have been Mustang territory since the 90s. Most comfortable and possibly reliable 10s and 9s… Hellcat is a tough car to beat and is definitely the one I would choose.

So not an argument from me that the Hellcat isn’t the best car for me to be quick at the track, but I have specific criteria that a Mustang can’t meet.
 


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The 5.0 is a hard value to beat when it comes to going fast for little money. Practically impossible to beat, especially if, say, the budget is $50k. You can get a new GT, and have enough to twin turbo it and run in the 8s… but that $50k won’t even get you a Hellcat.

Take money out of the equation and that opens doors… but that’s not realistic.

Cheapest 10s, 9s, and 8s have been Mustang territory since the 90s. Most comfortable and possibly reliable 10s and 9s… Hellcat is a tough car to beat and is definitely the one I would choose.

So not an argument from me that the Hellcat isn’t the best car for me to be quick at the track, but I have specific criteria that a Mustang can’t meet.
Here's my fox. Built it ten years ago. Best time to date 8.82@159. 30 lbs boost Ysi blower big bore dart 347. Makes 950 wheel through a built AOD transmission. Full option and weight gt. 3550 with me in it. Did everything myself including paint.
 


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Clap, clap too ya. Well put sir, and I agree !,000 %. And it is still going till today. Mustang has hit a pla toe in 64 1/2 and has not stopped. My last xes's 1 st car in high school. My step son's 1st car in high school. After my me filing for divorce. !990. Black, 4 speed, 5.0. All a high school kid needs when he dosen't have a job. HP good job.
He had his licensed pulled 3 months after I left with out my twin turbo Supra. It just takes a beatin.
 


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The 5.0 is a hard value to beat when it comes to going fast for little money. Practically impossible to beat, especially if, say, the budget is $50k. You can get a new GT, and have enough to twin turbo it and run in the 8s… but that $50k won’t even get you a Hellcat.

Take money out of the equation and that opens doors… but that’s not realistic.

Cheapest 10s, 9s, and 8s have been Mustang territory since the 90s. Most comfortable and possibly reliable 10s and 9s… Hellcat is a tough car to beat and is definitely the one I would choose.

So not an argument from me that the Hellcat isn’t the best car for me to be quick at the track, but I have specific criteria that a Mustang can’t meet.
I am extremely familiar with the coyote mustangs as I sold my TVS supercharged 700rwhp 2014 Mustang to get the Hellcat. I built and tunes that car and intimately know the Gen 1 Coyote strengths and weaknesses. Fortunately for our group we all got into our Hellcats for the very low $50's for ultra low mileage pristine cars. My Redeye was low $60's with 4K miles on it when I bought it.
My comments were based around what we see and race with at the track every week. Houston represents a good sample of what people are doing with cars, it's a top 5 metro area in regards to population and probably top 3 in regards to car culture.
Modern Muscle (within 1-2 model updates) we see at the track:
2018+ Gen 3 Mustangs: can be very fast but the A10 does not hold up to power adders very well at all. Most of these that are raced a lot are are quick (11 second) N/A cars and a few built, race cars.
2020+ GT500 - These have proven to be very unreliable in all but stock form, in stock form on a tire they are high 10 second cars
Camaro 6th gen ZL1 - we see a decent amount of these and they run mid to low 10's but require a few mods to do this repeatedly, the small superchargers heat soak pretty bad
Cadillac CTS-V- see ZL1
High end imports - the $100+K Audis and BMW's usually run low 11's

My original post was not meant to say all other platforms are inferior at all, just to show a positive example of how good the Hellcats are as true street/strip cars and that in overall ease of creating a "fast" true modern street/strip car that is brutally reliable and consistent they are pretty hard to beat, especially if you were fortunate enough to get into one for around the $50K mark. We, at the track, don't see another consistent platform of modern (2015+ per say) cars that consistently perform as well. Youtube videos of cars doing draggy 60-130 does not represent durability at all like making 150-200 track passes a year, in all temp ranges and sitting in staging lane lines, etc, with sub 1.50 60's and 140mph trap speeds - that represents long term durability.
 


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This too! - I'm 6'-7" 320lbs and this car fits great
Not to mention excellent street cars, especially for us big guys.[/QUOTE
 


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Here's my fox. Built it ten years ago. Best time to date 8.82@159. 30 lbs boost Ysi blower big bore dart 347. Makes 950 wheel through a built AOD transmission. Full option and weight gt. 3550 with me in it. Did everything myself including paint.
Similar to what I had YSI 20# AOD 306 9.11@150
 


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The 5.0 is a hard value to beat when it comes to going fast for little money. Practically impossible to beat, especially if, say, the budget is $50k. You can get a new GT, and have enough to twin turbo it and run in the 8s… but that $50k won’t even get you a Hellcat.

Take money out of the equation and that opens doors… but that’s not realistic.

Cheapest 10s, 9s, and 8s have been Mustang territory since the 90s. Most comfortable and possibly reliable 10s and 9s… Hellcat is a tough car to beat and is definitely the one I would choose.

So not an argument from me that the Hellcat isn’t the best car for me to be quick at the track, but I have specific criteria that a Mustang can’t meet.
Almost every new Mustang I have seen is 50k+ then nearly 10K for twins.8's is a lot to ask with only turbos
 


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Almost every new Mustang I have seen is 50k+ then nearly 10K for twins.8's is a lot to ask with only turbos
MSRP for a GT starts in mid-30s.
Plus $10k for the twins you’re at mid40s and you have $5k for everything else

https://www.fordmuscle.com/news/8-second-twin-turbo-gen-2-coyote-defies-laws-stock/

Just saying that the Mustang is still the best budget car, by a lot, but that the HC is the better Street/strip car - just like the OP said…
Pointing out that it depends on your budget.
 


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With an auto and no other options you are at 40k. Most Mustang I see sticker wise with some option are 50k but if you were just building a drag car you can get one fairly cheap. I used one could get you even lower. I have found some of these cars that run huge numbers are normally not the norm but there is the chance it can be done
 


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With an auto and no other options you are at 40k. Most Mustang I see sticker wise with some option are 50k but if you were just building a drag car you can get one fairly cheap. I used one could get you even lower. I have found some of these cars that run huge numbers are normally not the norm but there is the chance it can be done
After taxes I’m sure the $37k sticker for the automatic goes up quite a bit, I’m not really counting taxes and crap because it’s just a discussion about a Mustang on an Hellcat forum, lol. I won’t pull in all of the discounts that a Ford dealer will throw at the car to get a stripper model off of their lot either, because that varies depending on what you qualify for or how well you know the owner. And in TODAY’s market, who the hell knows what any of this costs.
 


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With an auto and no other options you are at 40k. Most Mustang I see sticker wise with some option are 50k but if you were just building a drag car you can get one fairly cheap. I used one could get you even lower. I have found some of these cars that run huge numbers are normally not the norm but there is the chance it can be done
I think a lot of fast guys in the mustang crowd will be quiet about it along with their tuners with what the EPA is doing. Probably the case for all makes come to think of it. Who you know will begin to matter.
 


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Hellcats are great but not sure if they are absolutely the best street/strip car out there. I own a 15 HC and a 2013 Boss 302. The supercharged Boss is more versatile and probably faster although I haven't run either of my current cars at the strip. My Boss was a pristine 3,000 mile example with a few mods when I bought it two years ago for 32k. With the supercharger I probably have 40k in the car. It turns heads everywhere and is crazy fast and could relatively cheaply be much faster (E85, pulley, etc). Where the Hellcat shines of course is as a cruiser and modern muscle car. I'm not small at 6'5" so agree if I'm taking a road trip or just cruising around I'm driving the Hellcat. For a fun driving experience up one of our mountain canyons or doing any type of track activity I'm driving the Boss. Hard for me to say one is absolutely better than the other.
 


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Look at the demo you are marketing to at that price. Mostly kids borrowing against their college fund from their grand parents. I wished I could have done that with mine. But my MSRP was $67 with a $10,000 cash in hand to get it. So, I have $77 starting out with trinkets and paint for engine. Another $25,000. Do you sea a 22 year old addictive to speed, gals, cars, ect. Spending that kind of denaroesN Mope but some one has to take the leed and feed em till they can. I take my under ware off for ford and thro them at the Philly game. Hickster says,, ding ding ding. Beer time.
 


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When I was a young man in the late 80's and early 90's Foxbody Mustangs were the most consistently fast, consistently reliable group of cars that were driven to local tracks weekend after weekend and ran good times (11 second ET's back in that day) and drove home. If you were into racing at that time period it was pretty hard to argue there was a better street/strip platform.

Fast forward to 2021 and I strongly argue that Hellcats represent the best street/strip platform available today.
Case in point:
Here in Houston there are a group of Hellcats (mine included) that race almost every week year round, drive to and from the track up to 60 miles each way, always run consistent times (like bracket cars), and never break or have issues. There are a lot of supercharged coyote mustangs, Camaro ZL1's, pullied down CTSV's, GT 500's etc. in Houston. While there are a few random, generally specific drag built modern cars that are quicker than us, every once in a while, we as a brand group (Hellcat variant) are consistently the fastest group, and it's really not even close week to week. to be honest.
Our weekly race crew:
Stock Boost/Pump Gas 15' HC - mid 10's in summer shit DA, low 10's in good DA
Stock Boost/Pump Gas 16' HC - mid 10's in summer shit DA, low 10's in good DA
2.85 Pulley/Pump Gas 16' HC - Bottom 10's summer DA, 9.70-80's good DA
E85 2.75 Pulley Redeye 19' - High 9's summer DA, mid 9's good DA
E85 Trackhawk - Mid 10's summer DA

Even though they are heavy, Hellcats represent the best modern street/strip platform available when you combine ease of modification, unbelievable durability, and like clockwork consistent performance. Anyone care to argue?
BTW, mine is a 17' with 2.85, LOL, but I agree we have a good group of guys that represent Mopar pretty good at the track (HRP). Always having fun regardless if we're hurting Mustang feelings. :LOL:
 


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After taxes I’m sure the $37k sticker for the automatic goes up quite a bit, I’m not really counting taxes and crap because it’s just a discussion about a Mustang on an Hellcat forum, lol. I won’t pull in all of the discounts that a Ford dealer will throw at the car to get a stripper model off of their lot either, because that varies depending on what you qualify for or how well you know the owner. And in TODAY’s market, who the hell knows what any of this costs.
My uncle got his 18 bare bone 5.0 at the end of 18 for 30K even. I’m not a mustang guy, but I thought that was a good deal.
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I’ve said it a million times I’m really not a mustang hater. But how many times do you think the stock engine and trans will hold up going 8s?
i paid 44k for my 2018 hellcat in 2020. I have less than 5k into it including wheels and tires. Running a 2.85 so not pushing it hard at all in terms of boost and I have a 9 second car. I also fit 4 adults And 1 kid in it fairly comfortable this weekend when we went out Saturday night.
I’ve been in mustangs we wouldn’t have fit.
 


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Zander and it’sjusta6 on YouTube have both fought blowing engines and that’s running 9s. You are pushing that coyote way harder then our hellcats to run 9s.
 


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When I was a young man in the late 80's and early 90's Foxbody Mustangs were the most consistently fast, consistently reliable group of cars that were driven to local tracks weekend after weekend and ran good times (11 second ET's back in that day) and drove home. If you were into racing at that time period it was pretty hard to argue there was a better street/strip platform.

Fast forward to 2021 and I strongly argue that Hellcats represent the best street/strip platform available today.
Case in point:
Here in Houston there are a group of Hellcats (mine included) that race almost every week year round, drive to and from the track up to 60 miles each way, always run consistent times (like bracket cars), and never break or have issues. There are a lot of supercharged coyote mustangs, Camaro ZL1's, pullied down CTSV's, GT 500's etc. in Houston. While there are a few random, generally specific drag built modern cars that are quicker than us, every once in a while, we as a brand group (Hellcat variant) are consistently the fastest group, and it's really not even close week to week. to be honest.
Our weekly race crew:
Stock Boost/Pump Gas 15' HC - mid 10's in summer shit DA, low 10's in good DA
Stock Boost/Pump Gas 16' HC - mid 10's in summer shit DA, low 10's in good DA
2.85 Pulley/Pump Gas 16' HC - Bottom 10's summer DA, 9.70-80's good DA
E85 2.75 Pulley Redeye 19' - High 9's summer DA, mid 9's good DA
E85 Trackhawk - Mid 10's summer DA

Even though they are heavy, Hellcats represent the best modern street/strip platform available when you combine ease of modification, unbelievable durability, and like clockwork consistent performance. Anyone care to argue?
I feel like staring something. LOL
Just curious what stock boost means to you.
I keep getting a hard time because that term gets thrown around.
Someone at the track keeps on about a you tube vid or FB post about someone running a number on stock boost.
Then we have a discussion about a tune with "stock boost" on a car with raised shift points and a car without and shifting at the stock around 6000 rpm.
Instead of stock boost why not just say with a tune.
I get that one of the you tube guys keeps saying he has no tune but raised shift points and then mentions adding fuel to the tune. So tuned no matter how you look at it.
Just my opinion.

I agree they are a great drag strip car.
 


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I feel like staring something. LOL
Just curious what stock boost means to you.
I keep getting a hard time because that term gets thrown around.
Someone at the track keeps on about a you tube vid or FB post about someone running a number on stock boost.
Then we have a discussion about a tune with "stock boost" on a car with raised shift points and a car without and shifting at the stock around 6000 rpm.
Instead of stock boost why not just say with a tune.
I get that one of the you tube guys keeps saying he has no tune but raised shift points and then mentions adding fuel to the tune. So tuned no matter how you look at it.
Just my opinion.

I agree they are a great drag strip car.
All of our cars are tuned, both engine and trans - all have raised shift points from stock, reduced nannies, etc.. Stock boost to us means stock factory upper and lower pulley- 10-11 pounds for Hellcats. The cars, other than mine are all on drag packs and have rear seat deletes. Race weights are 4350, 4450, 4450, and I'm currently at 4610 in the Redeye. The Trackhawk is closer to 5300 I believe, not 100% sure on the Trackhawk weight, he is a new arrival to our race group. We usually weigh our Challengers on the return road scale after the first pass of the night.
We all either run Hoosier Drag Bracket Radials or MT ET Street R's all on 17" wheels. We all have 3.09 diffs.
Summer DA is 2300-2800, 85-95 temps and 80+% humidity
In the winter we get hero run DA in Houston, sometimes even negative DA
 




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